[22:04] <sebersole> dmlloyd: if you are around...
[22:04] <sebersole> we are having trouble with hibernate-osgi because of jboss-logging jar
[22:04] <sebersole> it essentially requires log4j
[22:05] <sebersole> [22:03] <brmeyer> their manifest has resolution:=optional for every org.apache.log4j package *except* for .message
[22:05] <sebersole> tbh, thats all just gibberish to me.  he might as well be speaking chinese
[22:06] <sebersole> but when we try to deploy into karaf, we do get errors installing our features because the jboss-logging bundle fails to start because log4j isnt installed
[22:06] <sebersole> it works when we install log4j first as well
[22:06] <sebersole> even though we are not using log4j